[Andrew Butcher]

Hi everyone

There is an error in the circular link issued by the OLG, this is being updated.

The 2023-24 permissible income workpapers can be found using this link.

https://revpronsw.dev.nucleoserver.com/content/uploads/2023/08/Permissible-Income-Workpaper-2023-24.xlsx

Apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Regards,
Andrew

Permissible Income Workpaper – 2023-24

[Andrew Butcher]

Hi everyone

The OLG have released the 2022-23 Permissible Income Work Papers, they can be found by following this link:

Permissible-Income-Workpapers-2022-23-.xlsx (live.com)

Regards,
Andrew

[Andrew Butcher]

Please find attached our final submission to the IPART.

Regards,
Andrew

NSW Revenue Professionals submission to IPART Rate Peg methodology draft report

• This reply was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Andrew Butcher.
• This reply was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Andrew Butcher.

[Andrew Butcher]

Please find attached our DRAFT submission – we are still considering item 9 and our position may change to the following,

9. What implementation option would you prefer for the changes to the rate peg methodology?
Our preference is that the recommended changes commence in full for the 2024-25 financial year and include a true-up. Accordingly IPART would:
• replace the LGCI with the 3-component BCC model and use 3 council groups
• retain the population factor (altered to allow negative supplementary valuations) and not remove prison populations
• implement the proposed additional and separate ESL factor, and
• include a one-off true-up adjustment for the differences between the LGCI and the BCC so that councils would be no worse off under the new methodology for 2024/25.

If you have any comments or additional information regarding this please let me know or post in the forum.

Regards,
Andrew

NSW Revenue Professionals submission to IPART Rate Peg methodology draft report – DRAFT

[Andrew Butcher]

I agree with you Dave, only primary production land or adjoining lots can be consolidated into one land value. Providing a spreadsheet listing the amounts would be a solution.

I have not heard from TfNSW either but suspect that we will soon as a follow-on from the email they sent out last year.

Will post a reply if I hear anything.

Regards,
Andrew

[Andrew Butcher]

Hi Glynes

It is probably worth checking this case law under the heading refunds or getting some independent advice on its implications specific to your individual circumstances.

Mangoola Coal Operations Pty Ltd v Muswellbrook Shire Council 2023 NSWSC 262 Appeal

Essentially the case law and the Recovery of Imposts Act 1963 mean that any rate or charge made under the Local Government Act 1993 that have been paid more than twelve months preceding the request for a refund is not refundable.

I think it is important for councils to consider the reasons for not refunding and to consider any mitigating circumstances of reasonableness. Particular attention should be applied to identifying if any council made errors have resulted in the wrong charges/rates being levied, otherwise case law sets the precedent.

Hope this is helpful.

Regards,
Andrew

[Andrew Butcher]

This is brilliant and so helpful in accessing relevant cases.

Thanks Robert

Regards,
Andrew

[Andrew Butcher]

Hi Cherie
All rates, including 603’s enquiries are handled by the Revenue Team. They only respond to enquiries at the front counter, if they get difficult, they call us for support.
Regards,
Andrew

[Andrew Butcher]

Hi Peter and Matt

We do similar to Penrith, here is a copy of our letter, if anyone wants it I am happy to email or add to this post. We use Pathway Customer requests to record phone applications and to collect on-line data. Requests are linked to the property and complies with the OLG electronic/phone application forms.

I refer to your Pension Rebate Concession on land rates and charges and wish to advise that our records need to be updated as part of our annual audit requirements.

Your concession rebate for 2022-2023 will not be affected however without updated details changes may occur from 1 July 2023.

We acknowledge that this is an inconvenience and in response we have set up an online and an over the phone service to collect the information needed.

To update your information;
1. Online – go to campbelltown.nsw.gov.au, click on Apply for it, scroll down to Rates and select Pensioner Concession Rates Rebate Application and have your Pensioner Concession Card handy.
2. Phone – 4645 4935 and have your Pensioner Concession Card handy. If this property is owned jointly with other pensioners could they be available at the time of your call.
3. In person – by visiting our Customer Service Centre at 91 Queen St Campbelltown – please bring your Pensioner Concession Card with you

If you have any questions or need further information please do not hesitate to contact our Revenue Team on 4645 4935.

Hope this is helpful.

Regards,
Andrew

[Andrew Butcher]

Hi Emma

I am not aware of any requirements to state the full name on the notice.

If the ratepayer has the notice I would consider it to have been served and therefore closes the loop on liability to pay them. I guess they could defend the matter if it escalates and to prepare for this I would make a note that they acknowledge receipt of the notice and made the statement they made, you cannot underestimate good notetaking.

For the record we store the ratepayer as initials followed by surname and the owner full given name and full surname, in Pathway.

Hope this is helpful.

Regards,
Andrew

[Andrew Butcher]

Given the importance of this matter it has taken a little longer than originally anticipated to finalise our submission.

Attached is the final draft, hopefully it will be of some assistance to you and your council.

I would like to acknowledge the continued support and input from the Executive Committee in bringing this together.

Regards,
Andrew

NSW Revenue Professionals submission to IPART Rate Peg methodology review issues paper – FINAL

[Andrew Butcher]

Hi Suzy

The NSWRP Executive is in the process of drafting a response, we are meeting today to discuss options and hope to have something available soon.

Regards,
Andrew

• This reply was modified 3 years, 7 months ago by Andrew Butcher.

[Andrew Butcher]

Hi David

Am I correct in thinking that the original report and declaration did not achieve the outcome senior managers are looking for and you now want a second opinion?

If this is the case I would be cautious around the time limits (40-days) for providing a response, making sure that you have complied with the Act. Just remember these documents may be subpoenaed or accessed via GIPA.

I am not aware of any other service providers that could help you with a second opinion, sorry.

Regards,
Andrew

[Andrew Butcher]

IPART issues paper click here

[Andrew Butcher]

Hi everyone

I have received this too so I called the writer to find out more and was advised that some councils have a form and that was why they asking all councils to provide their form. I agree with Robert’s post above, there is no statutory form or a need for councils to provide up-front information, it is the public body that must furnish a list to council by 30 April each year.

In addition to the above I have reached out to the OLG to find out if they were aware of this, they were not and would contact the writer I spoke to.

If your council provides a section 600 rebate could you please contact me as I would be interested to learn a bit more.

Regards,
Andrew

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